John 17:5. This filial position in relation to God, which He has as man, is only a reflection of the filial position which He has had as God. BibliographyNicol, W. Robertson, M.A., L.L.D. It is equally impossible to find here the least trace of the idea which Sabatier finds in the passage of Paul (Phil. “John Knox, on his death-bed in 1572, asked his wife to read to him John 17, ‘where’, he said, ‘I cast my first anchor. First, he denied that he was crucified, but that some other was crucified for him. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/geb/john-17.html. Some have affirmed that God has eternally been creating worlds after worlds. Not the same word as in former clause and John 17:6. of = out of. See Â John 1:1. The most potent means of action of which He has need in order to continue this task, He can only obtain by recovering His state anterior to the incarnation. 1871-8. Tr., p. 132). BibliographyBullinger, Ethelbert William. on chap, John 13:32). 5. All Rightes Reserved, Larry Pierce, Winterbourne, Ontario.A printed copy of this work can be ordered from: The Baptist Standard Bearer, 1 Iron Oaks Dr, Paris, AR, 72855. With thine own self (παρα σεαυτωι para seautōi). John 1:1; εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ πατρός, ch. Arius at Constantinople, sitting upon the close stool, purged out his guts. The glory which I had with thee before the world was. 1974. Herein is implied the eternity of the Son of God. παρὰ σοί = πρὸς τὸν θεόν, ch. ek. Whatever is before the world is before time. Bibliography"Commentary on John 17:5". "Barnes' Notes on the Whole Bible". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/ebc/john-17.html. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/bnb/john-17.html. Semper habebat: nunquam cœpit habere.” Bengel. From the connection of this with the former verse learn, 1. Here note, 1. "The Complete Word Study New Testament with Parallel Greek" 1992 Spiros Zodhiates and AMG International, Inc. AMG Publishers. It is an actual glory that Christ speaks of, not in decree and purpose only, for that believers had as well as he; but this was a glory when no creature was in being. Glory which I had… before the world—That is, the glory which I, as eternal Logos, had with the eternal God. He here begs of his Father, that that glory might shine upon his person as Mediator. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged". Before the world was - There could not be a more distinct and clear declaration of the pre-existence of Christ than this. Καὶ νῦν means ‘now that all is completed;’ and παρὰ σεαντῷ ‘side by side with Thee, in fellowship with Thee.’ The imperfect, εἷχον, implies continual possession. This is not to be understood of the glory of the human nature of Christ, abstractly considered; for that is no person of itself, but what is taken up into personal union with the Son of God; and therefore cannot be intended by this personal character I; nor did it exist from eternity; it was indeed written in God's book of predestination, even all its members, when as yet there were none of them in actual being; it was set up in God's thoughts and counsel, as the pattern and exemplar of human nature; it had a federal union with the Son of God, or a covenant subsistence with him; and in the Old Testament Christ was often spoken of as man, because of his frequent appearances in an human form, and because of the certainty of his incarnation; but he did not really and actually exist as man, until he took flesh of the virgin; for Christ, as man, is the seed of the woman, the son of David, Abraham, and Adam; he is called the last and second Adam, and was not as man before the first: the Old Testament speaks of his incarnation as future, nor is it possible that a creature can exist before time; for as soon as a creature exists, time begins, which is nothing else than the measure of a creature's duration; nor was the human nature of Christ with the Father from eternity; nor had it a glory before the world began, neither in whole, nor in part: nor is the glory of the divine nature abstractly considered here meant; this glory indeed Christ had from everlasting; he had it with his Father, in common with him, being in union to him; and it is true that it was in some measure veiled and covered in his state of humiliation; for though there were some breakings forth of it in that state, these were seen but by a few; wherefore he is thought by some, to pray here for the manifestation of this glory; but this glory was essential to him, was his natural right, and not to be prayed for, and which he then had as much as ever, and of which there could be no suspension: but this designs the glory of him as Godman, and Mediator; he was not only predestinated to be a Mediator, but was really set up as such from everlasting, and had a mediatorial fulness of grace put into his hands, and had the honour and glory of that office given unto him by the other two persons; and now that he might appear to be what he was, to be made, that is, made manifest that he was both Lord and Christ, he here prays; which was to be done, upon his ascension to heaven, and session at the right hand of God, by the pouring down of the Holy Ghost. εἶν., before the καταβολὴ κόσμου, John 17:24;—‘before all creation.’ “Antequam fieret mundus, gloriam illam habebat Filius; sed cum fieret mundus, gloria illa se cœpit (?) 7 Now they know that everything I have is a gift from you, 8 for I have passed on to them the message you gave me. A number of possibilities. BibliographyJamieson, Robert, D.D. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/rwp/john-17.html. 5. 169) says: “According to the mode of speech and conception prevalent in the N.T., a heavenly good, and so also a heavenly glory, can be conceived and spoken of as existing with God, and belonging to a person, not because this person already exists, and is invested with glory, but because the glory of God is in some way deposited and preserved for this person in heaven”. The vast majority of its occurrences are therefore in Johnâ€™s writings, as it is also found 24 times in Johnâ€™s three epistles, and just three times in Peter. John 17:5 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear) καὶ νῦν δόξασον με σύ, πάτερ, παρὰ σεαυτῷ τῇ δοξῇ ᾗ εἶχον πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι παρὰ σοί. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/tsk/john-17.html. Not the Son’s personal exaltation, but the Father’s glory through the Son’s, is still the keynote; for, when the glory of the Son is seen the glory of the Father is seen also, and the less the obscurity resting on the former the less also that resting on the latter. Revelation 13:8. John 17:5 is a passage that clearly and exegetically affirms (a) the eternality, and hence, deity of the Son and (b) His personal distinction from God the Father, which affirms the Trinity and swiftly refutes the Christological assertions of these unitarian groups (esp. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/hac/john-17.html. "Commentary on John 17:5". The KJV translation was determined by the Latin Vulgate-based Greek. No doubt, in His human state He has also a glory, even a glory "as that of the only begotten Son having come from the Father" (John 1:14). This word also includes the notion of happiness, or everything which could render the condition blessed. "George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary". 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with … Give me glory. The footnotes about Greek … One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. This conclusion is not well founded exegetically. The Greek word sarx is here used in the sense of a physical being, a living being with flesh. John 1 English Standard Version (ESV) The Word Became Flesh. Secondly, he took up the opinion of the Arians, to deny his Divinity. 1874-1909. John 17:4-5 are explained by Philippians 2:5-11. A decisive proof of the unity of the Person of Christ, in His three estates of eternal præ-existence in glory, humiliation in the flesh, and glorification in the Resurrection Body. Grammatical Analysis Of The Greek Text of John 17:5 . The word â€œworldâ€ (Greek: Kosmos) appears 185 times in the New Testament: 78 times in John, 8 in Matthew, 3 in Mark, and 3 also in Luke. chap, John 13:31-32), in contrast with the words ‘on earth’ of John 17:4. This study will also teach you about His death, burial, and resurrection. 1897-1910. (Comp. BibliographyGodet, Frédéric Louis. Consequently, that phrase in the former clause, with the Father, is contrasted with earthly and fading glory, as Paul describes the blessed immortality of Christ, by saying that, he died to sin once, but now he liveth to God, (Romans 6:10.). And now - `the whole purpose I am here for being accomplished,', O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self , [ para (Greek #3844) seautoo (Greek #4572)] - or 'beside Thine own Self (apud Teipsum, or Temetipsum, as the Vulgate, Calvin, and Beza render it). Used by Permission. BibliographyClarke, Adam. The glory which he had then was that which was proper to the Son of God, represented by the expression Ã¢â¬Åbeing in the bosom of the FatherÃ¢â¬Â John 1:18, denoting intimacy, friendship, united felicity. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. With the glory - With the honor. But it differs from His heavenly glory as the dependent form of the human existence differs from the autonomous form of the divine existence. Copyright © Broadman Press 1932,33, Renewal 1960. 2. Oneness theology): 54. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain and are a derivative of an electronic edition that is available on the Christian Classics Ethereal Library Website. "Commentary on John 17:5". John is the only Gospel writer to quote Jesus as saying that his followers are no part of the world, or do not belong to the world. College Press, Joplin, MO. 1685. "John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible". Used by permission of Broadman Press (Southern Baptist Sunday School Board). Whatever is before time is eternal.— παρὰ σόι, with Thee) because there was then nothing external to God. John 17:5. εἶχον, I had) Here He does not say, I received. Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. BibliographyRobertson, A.T. "Commentary on John 17:5". Greek … Mahomet speaks very honourably of Christ, except only in two things. BibliographyPoole, Matthew, "Commentary on John 17:5". The eternal Logos and the incarnate Logos are the same person in different eras of existence. He laid aside for a time the external aspect of honor, and consented to become despised, and to assume the form of a servant. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/whe/john-17.html. BibliographyWhedon, Daniel. The Lamb who had been slain from the foundation of the world. Ver. This is the state to which he is now exalted, with the additional honor of having made atonement for sin, and having opened the way to save a race of rebels from eternal death. “John Knox, on his death-bed in 1572, asked his wife to read to him John 17, ‘where’, he said, ‘I cast my first anchor. Jesus Prays to Be Glorified - After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: “Father, the hour has come. Revelation 13:8. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. All rights reserved. The glory which I had â He does not say received - He always had it, till he emptied himself of it in the days of his flesh. BibliographyEllicott, Charles John. But from the biblical point of view, the world embraces all that appertains to the sphere of becoming, and beyond this sphere there is only being, eternity. That, after we have glorified him, we may expect to be glorified with him and by him. 17:5 And 2532 now 3568, O Father 3962, glorify 1392 5657 thou 4771 me 3165 with 3844 thine own self 4572 with the glory 1391 which 3739 I had 2192 5707 with 3844 thee 4671 before 4253 the … But Paul, as clearly as John, believes in the actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus Christ (Philemon 2:5-11). And now glorify thou me, O Father, with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. While Jesus is praying for restored “glory,” Dalcour abuses the aorist verb in this text (yes I have had Greek). "Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges". George Haydock's Catholic Bible Commentary, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible - Unabridged, Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers, Commentary Critical and Explanatory - Unabridged, Kretzmann's Popular Commentary of the Bible, Lange's Commentary on the Holy Scriptures. BibliographyEdwards, Justin. Glorify me, is the same as make me known to men; so that the sense may be, make men know, that I had the same glory with thee, before the world was created, and from all eternity. Thus the prayer is that the clouds which during His earthly life had obscured the glory of His Divine Sonship may be rolled back, and that as Son of man (as well as Son of God) it may now appear that He possesses that glory in all the brightness with which it encompassed Him before He came into the world (comp. John 13:31-32.). Introduction. The Jews have a notion that God will give to the King Messiah, מן הכבוד של מעלה, "of the supreme glory"F7Midrash Tillim in Psal. Greeting! 26; Ephesians i. To report dead links, typos, or html errors or suggestions about making these resources more useful use our convenient, John Gill's Exposition of the Whole Bible, And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament, And now, Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was, Expository Notes with Practical Observations on the New Testament, I have glorified thee, and now, O Father, glorify thou me, Now, O Father, Glorify me with thine own self, Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary, Johann Albrecht Bengel's Gnomon of the New Testament, Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible, Justin Edwards' Family Bible New Testament, Cambridge Greek Testament for Schools and Colleges, Schaff's Popular Commentary on the New Testament. W. McGarvey and Philip Y. Pendleton. Oneness theology): "Commentary on John 17:5". Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. Those other two footnotes may be found in an edition that has the Greek text included. How would you say it? "The Complete Word Study New Testament with Parallel Greek" 1992 Spiros Zodhiates and AMG International, Inc. AMG Publishers. Charles Schribner's Sons. "Commentary on John 17:5". For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Renewal 1960. New American Standard Bible "Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. the glory which I had with thee before the world was; the same phrase with לעולם, or קודם העולם, used by the JewsF8Gloss in T. Bab Pesachim, fol. BibliographyCalvin, John. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause. exserere.” Bengel. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/john-17.html. As in John 17:11, all the texts put the relative in the singular, and read "in Thy name that Thou gayest Me, and I kept them". He had just said that he had glorified God on the earth, he now prays that God would glorify him in heaven. There cannot be any temerity on His part in doing this, since this state of divine glory appertains to His nature, and He has voluntarily renounced it in order to serve God here on earth. 22. Comp. One is that the world refers to the beginning of the universe which God created in Genesis 1. HENRY ALFORD Greek Testament Critical Exegetical Commentary Gospel of John. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cgt/john-17.html. That Christ as God, had an essential glory with God the Father before the world was: he had this glory not in the purpose and decree of God only, as the Socinians would have it; for he doth not say, "Glorify me with the glory which thou didst purpose and prepare for me before the world was:" but "which I had and enjoyed with thee before the world was:" by which words our Lord plainly asserts his own existence and being from eternity, and prays for a re-exaltation to that glory which he enjoyed with his Father before his incarnation. When Jesus was born as a human, he was no longer a spirit. >Bousset of John 17:3. Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. I do not engage in any unlawful acts. Read John 17:5 Using Other Translations. With the glory which I had with thee before the world was.âThis clause admits of but one meaningâviz., that Jesus claimed for Himself the possession of the divine glory in His pre-existent state before the world was; and that He claimed this in personality distinct from, but in essence one with God. He now declares that he desires nothing that does not strictly belong to him, but only that he may appear in the flesh, such as he was before the creation of the world; or, to speak more plainly, that the Divine majesty, which he had always possessed, may now be illustriously displayed in the person of the Mediator, and in the human flesh with which he was clothed. Standard Publishing Company, Cincinnati, Ohio. On the identity of the δόξα in John 17:22 with this δόξα, see note there. Some say Jesus is claiming preexistence; some say Jesus is not. Christ is represented as leaving a glory He originally enjoyed and returning to it when His work on earth was done and as the result of that work. 1897. Mahometism is now there in that place, as it were the excrements of Arius. The Appropriate Translation for John 17:5, … 1 But the Greek preposition "para" translated "with" in the A.V. Man looks on the outward appearance. Let the glory of my eternal divinity surround and penetrate my humanity, in its resurrection, ascension, and in the place which it is to occupy at thy right hand, far above all creatures, Â Philippians 2:6, Â Philippians 2:9. 1896. "Commentary on John 17:5". BibliographyTorrey, R. A. BibliographyBurkitt, William. Greek. The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures is published by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Even now, we can, in a spiritual sense, behold His glory as we see Him in the written Word, just as the disciples recognized Him as the living Word (see II Corinthians 3:18). 1840-57. The passages, however, on which he depends for this principle do not sustain it. As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast … Someone else then defined the following article that has the genitive to present a new clause, i.e., the one starting with the accusative article. 2. "The Treasury of Scripture Knowledge". I was having a discussion bout John 17:5 and someone pointed out that εἶναι is articular because of the accusative article closest to that word. Finding the new version too difficult to understand? The precise character of the glorification He looks for is here presented. 1879-90. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jfu/john-17.html. In John 12-21 Jesus draws His disciples aside to teach them—and you—what it means to follow Him. 1. That whoever expects to be glorified of God in heaven, must glorify him first here upon earth. the opposition between Î³Î¯Î½ÎµÏÎ¸Î±Î¹ and Îµá¼¶Î½Î±Î¹, John 1:1; John 1:3, John 8:58, and Psalms 90:2.â ÏÎ±Ïá½° ÏÎ¿Î¯, with thee, cannot have the purely ideal sense which the Socinians give to it, and which now again Beyschlagand Sabatier endeavor to maintain in somewhat different forms. guarded. ),âthat of a progress from the glory of Christ before His earthly life to His glory afterwards. This is not just ideal pre-existence, but actual and conscious existence at the Father‘s side (παρα σοι para soi with thee) “which I had” (ηι ειχον hēi eichon imperfect active of εχω echō I used to have, with attraction of case of ην hēn to ηι hēi because of δοχηι doxēi), “before the world was” (προ του τον κοσμον ειναι pro tou ton kosmon einai), “before the being as to the world” (cf. In the first, Jesus prays for Himself (John 17:1-5). John 17:5 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) 5 Now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with that glory I had with You before the world existed. "Family Bible New Testament". I have heard two arguments about this text. 20 apud Galatin. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/mpc/john-17.html. Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: a. Jesus spoke these words: The Bible is filled with great prayers. ESV And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/cal/john-17.html. '” (Bruce) A. Jesus prays concerning Himself. Copyright StatementThese files are public domain. The following great truths are contained in these two verses;  that the Son is in Person distinct from the Father;  that the Son, existing in glory with the Father from all eternity, working in obedience to the Father on earth, existing in glory with the Father now, is in Person one and the same. Let the glory which, as to my Divine nature, I had with thee before the foundation of the world, be communicated also to my human nature, that my whole person may be made glorious. See note on John 1:1. with the glory which I had with thee before the world was — when “in the beginning the Word was with God” (John 1:1), “the only-begotten Son in the bosom of the Father” (John 1:18). de Arcan. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/wen/john-17.html. The Son of God, by becoming incarnate, is represented as Ã¢â¬Åhumbling himselfÃ¢â¬Â (Greek: he Ã¢â¬Åemptied himselfÃ¢â¬Â), Philippians 2:8. On this verse Beyschlag remarks (i. "Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible". See on John 8:58. The special importance of the thought here is that it is uttered in the words of Christ Himself, and that these words are a prayer to the Father. That Christ, as Mediator, did so far humble himself, that he needed to pray for his Father to bestow upon him the glory which he wanted; namely, the glory of his ascension and exaltation: Now, O Father, Glorify me with thine own self. https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/jtc/john-17.html. Matthew Poole's English Annotations on the Holy Bible. As if Christ had said, "Father, glorify me, embrace and honour me as thy Son, who have been, in the eyes of the world, handled disgracefully as a servant." "E.W. "Frédéric Louis Godet - Commentary on Selected Books". https:https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/vnt/john-17.html. 1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:. “By the side of thyself.” Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. Read Henry Alford's(1810-1871) fascinating brief biography and Phil Johnson's related comments. Go to. 1871-8. Ver. He desires to be glorified with the Father, not that the Father may glorify him secretly, without any witnesses, but that, having been received into heaven, he may give a magnificent display of his greatness and power, that every knee may bow to him, (Philippians 2:10.) The grammatical anaylsis of thesecond most often quoted proof scripture demonstrating the preexistence of Jesus. âI,â âThou,â âTheeâMe,â âon earth,â âwith Thine own self.â (Comp. See 1 Corinthians xv. You gave them to me, and they have kept your word. ; Fausset, A. R.; Brown, David. The humanity was now to share in and to be in some way the organ of that divine glory; and this it could not be until it had been perfected by the experience of a human life. Read John 17:5 Using Other Translations KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. They were always yours. The beginning of the world and of time were coincident. Construe the words with εἶχον, “I was having with Thee.”. Broadman Press 1932,33. But even Harnack admits that the words here and in John 17:24 are “undoubtedly the reflection of the certainty with which Jesus himself spoke” (What Is Christianity, Engl. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self,.... Not with his perfections, these he had, they dwelt bodily in him; or with his nature, in which he was one with him; but as Mediator, with his glorious presence in heaven, by setting him at his right hand, and crowning him with glory and honour. In John 17:17-19, the Greek word hagiazo [hag-ee-ad'-zo], which means "consecrate, sanctify, or to make holy," and the Greek word aletheia [al-ay'-thi-a], which is the Greek word for "truth," is repeated 3 times. John 17:5 καὶνῦνδόξασόνμεσύ, πάτερ, παρὰσεαυτῷτῇδόξῃᾗεἶχονπρὸτοῦτὸνκόσμονεἶναιπαρὰσοί. 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Thus the unity of thought in the whole passage is preserved. 1863-1878. The glory prayed for is distinguished by two particulars: (1) It is ‘with Thine own Self’ (comp. BibliographySchaff, Philip. John 1:18. BibliographyBarnes, Albert. "Commentary on John 17:5". Father! Copyright StatementThe Robertson's Word Pictures of the New Testament. (5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self.âThese words are exactly parallel with the commencement of the previous verse. Christ prays for is distinguished by two particulars: john 17:5 greek 1 ) is... By faithful Christians the pre-existence of Christ before his incarnation this is eternal life to his humiliation! The continuity of the δόξα in John 12-21 Jesus draws his disciples aside to teach them—and it! Thine own self.â ( comp Annotations on the Whole passage, Notes on the Christian Classics Ethereal Website... Continuity of the Greek Text included of his Father, glorify me together with Yourself, the... 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